https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss en-gb Podomatic RSS Generator Fri, 10 Jan 2025 23:06:29 +0000 house, ,saul, ,bliss, ,dj, ,hed, ,kandi, Copyright 2025 SAUL BLISS in the mix from various locations around the globe delivering and hour of upfront club bangers.... SAUL BLISS saulbliss@hotmail.com episodic true no https://assets.podomatic.net/ts/d7/d9/04/saulbliss/1400x1400_3540268.jpg https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss SAUL BLISS Sauls years behind the decks have taken him from London to literally the other side of the world and back having moved from London in 1997 to take up residency in the best clubs Western Australia had to offer. What was suppose to be a 3 month trip down under turned into a nine year stay when he was offered a residency after 2 weeks on landing with his record box. In that time he graced every decent pair of 1210’s there was and the highlight of that time in the southern hemisphere was his showcase set at the opening night of 3000 capacity Jaan night club in Bali. His dedication to good music, whatever it’s sub-genre, his ability to read a crowd and then tease them into submission, and the pure optimism of his ‘let’s get this party started’ attitude have all been central to the attention and respect he has attracted from the diverse range of clubs, DJs, producers and promoters that he has worked with over the years. Now based in London from late 2005 working at the world famous MTV studios in Camden he has found himself in demand playing everywhere from Manchester (Tangled) London (Herbal,Medicine,Ministry,Turnmills,Canvas) and Ibiza (Eden,El Divino) as well as managing to find time promote his own Jambasha club nights in the capital. Saul also regulary dj's along side clubbing Heavyweight brands Hed Kandi, Kissdafunk, Cream and Kinki Malinki whilst scooping the Dusted dj competition crown in 2006. During his time globe trotting his tastes have grown to encompass the many different strands of music and the breadth of styles with which he is comfortable is strongly evident in his sets. Saul’s influences began in hip-hop and ‘rave’ as it was called back in the day, but his unique sound encompasses breaks, electro, tech, house, all-the-while delivering fat, driving beats and cleverly executed cuts and samples. Whether it is a warm up set in an intimate bar or full on late night party banger he never fails to deliver what demanded from the dance floor. A true innovator, never an imitator… "djing is a drug I am truly addicted to it! I know it sounds cheesy but it’s the truth and do get moody if I don’t have my fix. I can’t imagine my world without music in it and I think this comes across when I get in the saddle. I truly love it!" See you on the floor! Saul saulbliss@hotmail.com https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2017-03-17T02_02_41-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2017-03-17T02_02_41-07_00 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:02:41 +0000 2020-01-09 2017-03-17 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2017-03-17T02_02_41-07_00 SAUL BLISS ushuaia,saul,ramirez,pacha,paradise,perth,lucianio,dc10,corolla,guetta,amnesia,axwell,ingrosso,dj,swedish,techno,minimal,ministry,music,kandi,laidback,funky,jones,jamie,enter,circo 3580 false Well that was a bit of a break wasn't it... OK we back, this is staraight up bangin tech house, relentless! Well that was a bit of a break wasn't it... OK we back, this is staraight up bangin tech house... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2016-08-16T07_59_03-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2016-08-16T07_59_03-07_00 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:59:03 +0000 2016-08-16 2016-08-16 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2016-08-16T07_59_03-07_00 SAUL BLISS nightclub,music,mix,after,amnesia,audio/mpeg,pacha,locations,kandi,axwell,dj,electro,house,luke,lucianio,london,loco,paradise,sets,space,spoon,swedish,various,ushuaia,upfront,trance,tong,tini,the,techno 3428 false Supported Gene Farris and another bumper Kinky Malinki here in Perth Australia before a quick R n R in Bali :) Off to Melbourne later this month to play Pawn and Co and the legendary Revs on the Sunday...look out. Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Insta : https://instagram.com/saulbliss/ Supported Gene Farris and another bumper Kinky Malinki here in Perth Australia before a quick R n... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2016-07-01T19_26_27-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2016-07-01T19_26_27-07_00 Sat, 02 Jul 2016 02:26:27 +0000 2020-01-09 2016-07-02 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2016-07-01T19_26_27-07_00 SAUL BLISS circo,bliss,jones,jamie,nightclub,pacha,paradise,perth,podcast,space,saul,ramirez,progressive,techno,tini,tong,ushuaia,hawtin,guetta,beach,dj,dc10,deep,ibiza,lucianio,london,loco,enter 3629 false Wow....has it been so long between drinks? Well i'm back having played alongside Ame, Weiss, Sonny Fodera, Kolombo to name a few...i promise not to leave it so long next time :) Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Insta : https://instagram.com/saulbliss/ Wow....has it been so long between drinks? Well i'm back having played alongside Ame, Weiss, ... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2015-09-19T01_05_57-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-09-19T01_05_57-07_00 Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:05:57 +0000 2015-09-20 2015-09-19 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-09-19T01_05_57-07_00 SAUL BLISS 3585 Way too much going on and it's only winter...5 residencies and some one off shows in a Cave plus supporting Miguel Campbell, Lane 8 and Jon Jon have kept me busy :P Hope you enjoy this months mix! Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Insta : https://instagram.com/saulbliss/ Way too much going on and it's only winter...5 residencies and some one off shows in a Cave plus ... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2015-07-24T16_25_00-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-07-24T16_25_00-07_00 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:25:00 +0000 2015-09-18 2015-07-24 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-07-24T16_25_00-07_00 SAUL BLISS 4189 Big warm up set for the legend that is Mr Giacomotto! Had fun with this one! Vamos!! Contact: saulbliss@hotmail.com Facebook: facebook.com/djsaubliss Big warm up set for the legend that is Mr Giacomotto! Had fun with this one! Vamos!! Conta... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2015-05-15T00_31_27-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-05-15T00_31_27-07_00 Fri, 15 May 2015 07:31:27 +0000 2015-09-18 2015-05-15 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-05-15T00_31_27-07_00 SAUL BLISS 3648 First signs of winter for a few years for me means whiter skin than normal and i bought a couple of jumpers!! Not cool :( lol Jump in here and enjoy! Besos Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Insta : https://instagram.com/saulbliss/ First signs of winter for a few years for me means whiter skin than normal and i bought a couple ... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2015-03-18T21_36_17-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-03-18T21_36_17-07_00 Thu, 19 Mar 2015 04:36:17 +0000 2015-09-18 2015-03-19 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2015-03-18T21_36_17-07_00 SAUL BLISS 3441 Finally found time between pool, boat, rooftop, beach and club partys plus ironing and cleaning the bathroom to get another one up online. Off to Melbourne in a couple of hours to play the Revolver madhouse and catch up with Ibiza chums :) VAMOS! x Finally found time between pool, boat, rooftop, beach and club partys plus ironing and cleaning t... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-11-29T02_10_37-08_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-11-29T02_10_37-08_00 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:10:37 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-11-29 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-11-29T02_10_37-08_00 SAUL BLISS 3441 Missed a mth...sorry about that but been relaunching a record label gigs and promoting :) Hopefully this one will make up for that, some brilliant music around at the moment. Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Enjoy! Missed a mth...sorry about that but been relaunching a record label gigs and promoting :) Hope... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-08-28T04_38_53-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-08-28T04_38_53-07_00 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:38:53 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-09-05 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-08-28T04_38_53-07_00 SAUL BLISS saul,ushuaia,tong,tini,techno,portal,minimal,jones,jamie,enter,amnesia,dc10,deep,ibiza,london,lucianio,loco,pacha,paradise,perth,pete,podcast,dj,beach,circo,club,corolla,hawtin,nightclub,sound,space,kandi 3492 false Hour of more tech rollers this month than usual. Get into it! Mucho Love x Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Hour of more tech rollers this month than usual. Get into it! Mucho Love x Facebook : www... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-08-01T10_06_33-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-08-01T10_06_33-07_00 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 17:06:33 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-08-01 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-08-01T10_06_33-07_00 SAUL BLISS jamie,jones,paradise,enter,hawtin,lucianio,amnesia,house,tech,bliss,saul,dc10,deep,club,circo,ibiza,kandi,pacha,swedish,spoon,space,tong,ushuaia,techno 3615 false Season is well under way...its getting hectic but some great things lined up. Come see me at Es Vive or some other one offs around the island :) Enjoy, this one is a smooth dark destroyer straight from the dancefloor x Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Season is well under way...its getting hectic but some great things lined up. Come see me at Es V... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-06-30T07_52_39-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-06-30T07_52_39-07_00 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:52:39 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-06-30 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-06-30T07_52_39-07_00 SAUL BLISS bliss,amnesia,dc10,house,ibiza,lucianio,loco,minimal,kandi,ministry,pacha,paradise,perth,pete,sound,saul,portal,tech,techno,ushuaia,corolla 3436 false The island has well and truly kicked off big time with all the clubs open and tourists arriving every day. I've gone pretty dark and deep on this one, not sure where that came form seeing as i'm in the sun every. Must be the Music On/Cocoon vibes getting at me... Enjoy till next month! x Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss The island has well and truly kicked off big time with all the clubs open and tourists arriving e... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-05-28T11_30_59-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-05-28T11_30_59-07_00 Wed, 28 May 2014 18:30:59 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-05-28 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-05-28T11_30_59-07_00 SAUL BLISS 3288 First month in Ibiza and we have survived most of the opening parties... Facebook : www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/Djsaulbliss First month in Ibiza and we have survived most of the opening parties... Facebook : www.facebo... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-04-20T22_12_38-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-04-20T22_12_38-07_00 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:12:38 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-04-21 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-04-20T22_12_38-07_00 SAUL BLISS alex,niggemann,saul,bliss,house,ibiza,tech,techno,perth,australia,geisha,deep,amnesia,pacha,lucianio,dc10,hawtin,jamie,jones,mix,ushuaia 3750 false My last gig here in Oz was the support for Alex. Great finish to the Australian summer and a great set later from one of the best in the game. Top night! Contact: saulbliss@hotmail.com Facebook: facebook.com/djsaubliss My last gig here in Oz was the support for Alex. Great finish to the Australian summer and a grea... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-03-30T03_27_23-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-03-30T03_27_23-07_00 Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:27:23 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-03-30 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-03-30T03_27_23-07_00 SAUL BLISS hot,natureded,monkey,safari,since,82,sankeys,house,garage,noir,audiowhores,steve,lawler,vanillia,ace,off,recordings,jamie,jones,bliss,saul,podcast,portal,ushuaia,trance,minimal,marco,mafia,ibiza,delivering,bangers,beach,circo,dc10,pacha,swedish,spoon 3843 false Summer is drawing to close for me in Oz and we start to think about switching hemispheres for the ibiza season. Enjoy the deep melodic vibes on this one. Contact : saulbliss@hotmail.com Summer is drawing to close for me in Oz and we start to think about switching hemispheres for the... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2014-02-05T22_54_24-08_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-02-05T22_54_24-08_00 Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:54:24 +0000 2015-09-18 2014-02-06 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2014-02-05T22_54_24-08_00 SAUL BLISS bliss,podcast,portal,amnesia,dc10,dakota,corolla,club,circo,chris,beach,dj,electro,ushuaia,trance,tong,tini,techno,saul,space,paradise,pacha,nightclub,music,ministry,minimal,marco,mafia,ibiza,jamie,jones,kandi,laidback,locations,loco,london,lucianio,house 3683 false Hey all, been A hectic Australian summer so far with boat, rooftop and club gigs supporting the likes of Audiojack, Robosonic, Pan Pot to name a few...But fear not i'm back with a deep and smooth mix to ease you back into it all. Facebook :https://www.facebook.com/djsaubliss Email: saulbliss@hotmail.com Twitter : https://twitter.com/Djsaulbliss Hey all, been A hectic Australian summer so far with boat, rooftop and club gigs supporting the l... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2013-10-14T15_16_55-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-10-14T15_16_55-07_00 Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:16:55 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-10-14T15_16_55-07_00 SAUL BLISS ibiza,space,pacha,huxley,defected,noir,munus,enter,hawtin,corolla,dc10,deep,house,london,funky,guetta,hed,mafia,ramirez,saul,podcast,ingrosso,dave 3600 false Now the Ibiza season is over i have some time to get a mix back out there just before a boat party here in London and the Summer season in Oz. Now the Ibiza season is over i have some time to get a mix back out there just before a boat part... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2013-05-01T05_25_53-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-05-01T05_25_53-07_00 Wed, 01 May 2013 12:25:53 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-05-01T05_25_53-07_00 SAUL BLISS maceo,plex,finnebassen,defected,noir,dusky,hot,natured,jamie,jones,bliss,house,london,funky,ibiza,tech,techno,space 3358 false This one comes from London as i make last minute preparations for the summer in ibiza. Deep house goodness all round! Info / contact : saulbliss@hotmail.com facebook /twitter / soundcloud This one comes from London as i make last minute preparations for the summer in ibiza. Deep ho... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2013-03-31T01_47_56-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-03-31T01_47_56-07_00 Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:47:56 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-03-31T01_47_56-07_00 SAUL BLISS solomun,defected,hed,kandi,noir,lana,del,ray,bliss,house,london,saul,perth,ibiza,ministry,tech,techno,progressive,hawtin,cadenza 3601 false So my time in Australia is coming to a close and its now we set our eyes on Ibiza and the madness that is headed our way like an out of control truck full of fun! Ive played some cool clubs, bars and parties plus managed a quick Bali gig. Ill be back real soon but lets get into the tunes! xx contact: saulbliss@hotmail.com So my time in Australia is coming to a close and its now we set our eyes on Ibiza and the madness... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2013-01-29T23_04_11-08_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-01-29T23_04_11-08_00 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:04:11 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2013-01-29T23_04_11-08_00 SAUL BLISS hot,creations,deep,noir,defected,funky,jamie,jones,seth,troxler,dc10,carl,cox,cocoon,sven,vath,lucianno,guetta,crom,miguel,monte,since,82,bliss,house,ibiza,london,ministry,saul,perth 3304 false Sorry for missing a couple of months but Christmas was mad busy as always with alot of gigs / family time plus i played in Bali and hit the studio to finish my first colab which you can find on this podcast...so yes quite a bit on here in Oz! Deep house goodness found within as usual, hope you enjoy it as much as i do :) Muchas Gracias! Info / Contact: saulbliss@hotmail.com facebook / twitter / souncloud Sorry for missing a couple of months but Christmas was mad busy as always with alot of gigs / fam... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2012-11-29T21_19_15-08_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-11-29T21_19_15-08_00 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:19:15 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-11-29T21_19_15-08_00 SAUL BLISS house,bliss,saul,perth,ibiza,club,jamie,jones,noir,defected,audiojack,pacha,kinky,malinki,dc10,paradise,hot,creations,lee,foss,miguel,campbell,kolombo,solomun,diynamic,joris,voorn,nic,curly 3490 false After finishing up Ibiza and a quick stop off in London to play @ Pacha for Kinky Malinki i'm in Australia for a few months to hit the Scoundrel studio and play some cool boat / Bars / events! Deep house through to tech on this months mix! Info / contact : saulbliss@hotmail.com facebook /twitter / soundcloud After finishing up Ibiza and a quick stop off in London to play @ Pacha for Kinky Malinki i'm in ... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2012-10-11T04_53_51-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-10-11T04_53_51-07_00 Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:53:51 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-10-11T04_53_51-07_00 SAUL BLISS bliss,dakota,ibiza,house,portal,podcast,techno,tech,saul,noir,dawson,kolombo,defected,solomun,diynamic,miguel,campbell,monte,crom,waifs,strays,shonky,pammin,nice7,lana,del,rey,huxley,hot,since,82,finnebassen,climbers,audiojack 3926 false Back in London after an amazing summer in playing in Ibiza. Check out the tunes i'm digging at the end of the season. Contact : saulbliss@hotmail.com Back in London after an amazing summer in playing in Ibiza. Check out the tunes i'm digging a... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2012-08-13T06_31_27-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-08-13T06_31_27-07_00 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:31:27 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-08-13T06_31_27-07_00 SAUL BLISS jamie,jones,dc10,deep,house,noir,paradise,hot,creations,seth,troxler,solumon,huxley,london,podcast,portal,progressive,ramirez,saul,tong,ibiza,dakota,bliss,perth 3687 false As we come into peak season here in Ibiza i played Eden alongside Marco Lys and David Penn for Kinky Malinki. Enjoy the live set! Info: saulbliss@hotmail.com As we come into peak season here in Ibiza i played Eden alongside Marco Lys and David Penn for Ki... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2012-07-05T03_42_33-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-07-05T03_42_33-07_00 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:42:33 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-07-05T03_42_33-07_00 SAUL BLISS maceo,plex,jamie,jones,hot,creations,miguel,campbell,dc10,bliss,house,london,podcast,portal,funky,guetta,space,ramirez,upfront,swedish,ibiza,ingrosso,laidback 39 false As i start my second month on the island im settling in having played a few bars and beach clubs and getting to all the major clubs. IMS was an amazing venue and Pacha top table were great ways to kick on the season but yet again DC10 still has that special vibe. I even bumped into Skrillex backstage?! Catch me at Eden for Kinki Malinki later in the mth and various other partys. Adios xx contact:saulbliss@hotmail.com As i start my second month on the island im settling in having played a few bars and beach clubs ... https://djsaulbliss.podomatic.com/entry/2012-06-03T10_50_45-07_00 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-06-03T10_50_45-07_00 Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:50:45 +0000 2015-09-18 2013-12-11 https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/djsaulbliss/episodes/2012-06-03T10_50_45-07_00 SAUL BLISS bliss,house,london,podcast,portal,saul,funky,electro,dj,ibiza,pete,swedish,spoon,techno,tong,trance,ramirez,space,ministry 3546 false As you may know ive relocated from London to Ibiza for the summer where ill still try and find the time once a month to hit you with some great sounds from the worlds mecca of house music! This mix is an ibiza special with some of the tunes i heard at openings and some i just like and i hope you do too! Adios amigos! contact: saulbliss@hotmail.com As you may know ive relocated from London to Ibiza for the summer where ill still try and find th...